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09/22/2022, 15:36:19

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Ihavenoname, Hope you enjoy this forum!







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Welcome!! There are no censors here - only a very fair and patient admin.
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09/23/2022, 23:09:37

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Admin is a friendly creature if we behave and Cerberus if one wields spam. You may rest assured we are quite civilized. Well, except for me. heh







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And got an error on first attempt posting reply
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/24/2022, 02:50:27

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And I should add I’m using Safari to browse this. Got a rejection error on my first attempt and thought my reply wasn’t posted. Sorry for the double post.







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Mebbe an issue with Safari - I tried replying to your post about Arizona's Senate race but it doesn't work.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

09/24/2022, 02:59:05

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I've contacted admin about it - she'll likely look into it and get back to us. 

What I tried to post was that one of our members DeeDee lives in Arizona and knows some sh*t, so she might be a good contact. 

She's been away from posting for a while but hopefully will be back soon. 









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Think I might’ve accidentally checked private replies only
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/24/2022, 03:08:26

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Admittedly, this site’s layout is somewhat ancient to me for 2022. Nonetheless, I think I’ve accidentally checked private reply before posting. Anyways, thanks for letting me know. I thought something was funny with the silence.







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Cue: Ohio Players: Take your time, do it right!!
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

09/24/2022, 03:37:51

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The flat format is by design. It's a "fully threaded" message board. I have used several varieties and the fully threaded is my preference. 

It is common for people to have strong preferences on format and to sometime feel that a flat (fully threaded) message board is somehow old-fashioned. 

Many of the other forums I've seen have other formats (where posts may be bumped) but the fully threaded ones seem to have better quality posts, to be frank. 

Sometimes people become preoccupied with format and do not focus on content. 

It takes a little getting used to, but my own impression is that people who are more concerned with the format than the content may not be the sorts of posters who have the greatest things to contribute. 

Message boards go back to the Olden Days before everyone and their kid brother was participating in Net forums. As the formats became more and more complicated (both in software and operations) those who were used to the original flat format sometimes kept them. 

The people who started this forum are what might be called "old school" software people - IOW, they are concerned with something that functions well. In engineering (and to some extent computer science) the simplest design is often the best in many ways. 

I'd frankly rather have great members contributing than a fancy gizmo-laden format with a lot of members who do not post much of anything interesting, informative, entertaining or profound. 

This forum has the two elements I have learned are most important in a great forum - informed, mature, real people who appreciate civil discourse, and an administrator who is fair, firm and does not pussy-foot with trolls or other disruptive, excessively-vituperative members. 








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Appreciate your insight
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/24/2022, 12:10:07

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I agree! I’d rather have quality contributions over nice formats like Reddit. There are things I miss in the old days. The internet seemed much better back then. I’m glad sites like these still exist. Sadly, the internet today is a cesspool of high drama. 

And I don’t see the modern trend of “tiktokking” or “youtubing” changing anytime soon (both are toxic sites). Anyways, thanks for all the work you and everyone else does here. I guess the saying “newer is not always better” holds true.







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More people agree with us than you probably believe.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

09/24/2022, 15:19:43

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A smart person (Bucky Fuller) explained it this way:

Through history, each iteration of technology changed human society. Even if governments in different nations changed, the technology of the nations remained largely unchanged. IOW, the government in what was once Persia changed in the 1970s from a monarchy and became a theofascist oligarchy renamed Iran. Despite this, the technology used by people in that nation remained largely the same before and after their revolution. 

the first machines amplified the physical body - the muscles - the ability to do work. Weapons, farming tools, construction tools, pulleys, wheels increased a human being's arms, legs, hands, feet. 

Then in the 20th century, electronics amplified the human senses - ears, eyes, touch, smell, sensation were all extended by use of electronic devices. 

The invention of semi-conductors/digital computers/thinking machines (software-based) amplified the abilities of the human mind.  

Technology merely amplifies potentials. So, computers/thinking machines don't automatically make Humanity better except where they amplify the healthy mind. 

The up-side of computers/thinking machines is that they increase the power of the human mind to do good. Unfortunately, the down-side is, as with all other technological achievements, computers also amplify the bad in the human mind - enhancing what is sick, distracting, dysfunctional and destructive. 

The same tech that allows groups of people to swiftly mobilize defense, also can mobilize mobs of thieves, rioters and terrorists. 

Fuller goes into how this process functions in more detail in a book "Critical Path". One part of the book lists all of Humanity's greatest technological developments starting in the ancient past and discusses how they changed society both for the better and worse.*

* The only part of that book which was incorrect was the part where he discusses AGW (anthropogenic global warming) as related to carbon emissions. He was fooled by a large movement of the time into believing things that have since been refuted by genuine science. There is a lot of scientific evidence about man-caused global warming, but virtually all of the strongest evidence is that it is not in fact an accurate conjecture, but rather a convenient fiction that has caught on politically. Ignore that part of the book and it is gold. 






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This sounds similar
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/25/2022, 12:57:44

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Parts of this reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 2, and Deus Ex (2000). I should give this book a read somedays.







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Cool. I'll check out those things you mentioned, thanks. BTW...
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

09/26/2022, 00:37:36

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Bucky Fuller was a strong believer that capitalism had been and would likely remain the salvation of Humanity (when combined with moral application).

The devil is in the details. 

Fuller also saw the dangers of government/corporate alliances against the best interests of the People - he predicted the AIG sub-prime mortgage catastrophe three decades before it happened. 

Fuller's work informed SF writer William Gibson (Neuromancer, etc.) who believes that Humanity has already created a competitive life-form; multi-national corporations. Gibson postulates that they perform all of the functions of living things; consume, move, reproduce, defend themselves from entropy, respire, excrete, etc. Even though they function with human constituents, corporations in and of themselves only concern themselves with money - and the activities required to maintain homeostasis/dominance their domain (i.e., amoral self-obsession). 

Fuller said that the fatal flaw with (Marxist) socialism is that it uses the same economic system as capitalism instead of a real-wealth based system, which requires a hyper-efficient meritocratic framework (similar to a well-run military organization), which socialism inherently makes impossible. 







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Hello
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/24/2022, 02:45:25

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Hello there! Sorry for the late reply. I’m not used to this type of forum. I tried finding the rules and guidelines for this forum, but I’m not sure where it is. And just got back from a rather busy week.







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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

09/24/2022, 02:44:09

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Hello there! Sorry for the late reply. I’m not used to this type of forum. I tried finding the rules and guidelines for this forum, but I’m not sure where it is. And just got back from a rather busy week.







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