The Russian/Ukraine unpleasantness is a bug tussle that's gotten out-of-control.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

08/15/2022, 14:29:38

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Organized Crime in Ukraine: Challenge and Response (ojp.gov)

See attached PDF for information on the history of criminal lawlessness (mirroring Russia's endemic corruption) Ukraine post-Perestroika (official end of Communist government in Russia/Ukraine).

My non-professional, armchair assessment is that this is a hopeless cluster-**** between two scumbag, criminal empires competing for their squares of turf to subjugate/exploit the population. 

It's interesting that the Communist (Marxist) oligarchy subjugated/exploited the population for the gain of Marxist ideology while the current controlling elements of government enable the exploitation for personal enrichment. 

So the odious militant domination of/oppression against the general populations of both nations practiced by the Tsarist oligarchy, was simply replaced with totalitarianism by a Marxist  oligarchy and has now been replaced with an oligarchy of criminal war-lords with no ideology at all save opportunism (they take that of value which may be taken). 

The Ukrainian criminal empire has convinced the world to support them in their corrupt government's efforts to prevent the criminals in Russia from taking control.

Nothing will change in the subjugation/exploitation of the people because the one thing that will remain strong and fundamentally unfazed by the episode will be the criminal organizations running the respective financial empires. After the soldiers have stopped dying on both sides, death will then only be handed out by Mafia enforcers but death will be as ever-present as before. 

See, 100% control equals 100% ownership - exterior appearances notwithstanding.  I think Zelensky is up to his forehead in Ukrainian organized crime just as Putin is in his involvement with (leadership of) the Russian Mafia. 

The more time that goes by the more the world's overall complexion appears more and more like something out of a William Gibson SF novel.*

Imagine if the U.S. government got involved in the Chicago/ New York gang wars of the 1800s-1900s and took sides. THAT is what I believe is an analogy to the current Russian/Ukraine war. This is what happens when two criminal empires want the same piece of real estate because they both want to carve it up for their consumption, people and all. 

The only legitimate reason to choose one side or the other is to discourage the primary aggressor from doing it again (invading). This World Police Force Utopian idealism is similar to the purpose of space-alien Klaatu's visit to Earth (from the classic film, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1953)- to wit a group that enforces peace in the universe. The problem with the analogy is that Klaatu's people wielded overwhelming force and demonstrated this effectively. 

The so-called Global Community which is now attempting to "help stop the Ukraine war" and "punish the aggressor" (by supplying weapons to the Ukrainians) has had about as much effectiveness so far as children hiking in the woods who see two Grizzly bears fighting, trying to stop the fight by stomping their feet and shouting at the bears. 

* In the nightmare visions of author Gibson, the world of the near-future (100-200 years) will be dominated by billionaires acting in concert (similar to Frank Herbert's Great Houses) wielding high technology. Government is merely an afterthought/enabler of corporatism. Non-oligarchs serve as drones/savants or face destruction (whether legal or not). Morality and the Rule of Law are afterthoughts, facades and fictions perpetuated by universally-corrupt government officials. 






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I agree with much of what you say, however, Ukraine became a haven for money laundering only after Clinton talked them out of their nukes.
Re: The Russian/Ukraine unpleasantness is a bug tussle that's gotten out-of-control. -- LateForLunch Post Reply Top of thread Forum

Posted by: DeeDee ®

08/16/2022, 15:31:15

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Once they had no nukes they were sitting ducks and did whatever the AMERICAN AND RUSSIAN OLOGARCHS wanted them to do. Russia and the US controlled this nation for years; hence, the Burisma, money laundering, etc. over the years.

I feel for the people there and feel that Russia will wipe them out and that it's part of the plan. China appears to be running the tables around the world and right now, the idea is to destroy western civilization as we know it. Our partners are falling for the entire ball of wax as are our leaders.







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If you believe that Ukraine is in any way significantly better than Russia, you are mistaken.
Re: I agree with much of what you say, however, Ukraine became a haven for money laundering only after Clinton talked them out of their nukes. -- DeeDee Post Reply Top of thread Forum

Posted by: LateForLunch ®

08/19/2022, 10:03:20

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Ukraine has been virtually identical to Russia in its problems for centuries. The infamy which emanates from that part of the world is grotesque and ubiquitous. It was a corrupt, violent shit-hole before, during and after they got nukes because it is run by vicious, cowardly Satanic thugs. 

As in virtually every country in the world, it's not so much that the people are bad, but that the cacogens have gained and hold government power.

Until that trend reverses, supporting Ukraine at great cost to more-civilized countries will yield only massive, needless loss of blood and treasure. 

See, the "war" the Ukrainian leadership has convinced their people to fight is not for the Ukrainian people's benefit, it is solely for the benefit of a minuscule percentage of the population connected to their own corrupt oligarchy. 

It might be better for the world if we just nuked both Russia and Ukraine out of existence and started over by repopulating them with robots built by Elon Musk. 







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