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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/05/2022, 05:58:00
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To get perspective on the current conflict one should probably look to sub-Saharan Africa - where various nations are forever at war with one-another over territorial rights to exploit the resources for the GOVERNMENT'S benefit, not the People's.
Ukraine has lied about a lot of stuff. The nuclear power plant by all appearances was not attacked by the Russians but either had an accidental fire or one that was deliberately set as a false flag attack.
The Russians would gain nothing by attacking the plant - because any release of radiation would likely blow back over the border into Russian territory. Russian troops have apparently secured the plant and are forcing Ukranian workers to run the plant. But there is no evidence of attack by the Russians in the first place.
This is not only similar to the endless civil wars of Africa, but also to the Serbian/Croatian/Macedonian conflicts of the last century. Some of these conflicts between governments in that region have been going on longer than the U.S. has existed.
The Ukrainian government also lied about several other events in the conflict. Their agenda seems to be to lure the free world into the conflict so they don't have to fight their own battles.
Again, the people of Ukraine are the real victims of this - because they government does not operate in good faith to look out for their best interests. Their president is a pathetic wokester who kowtows to every Globalist fantasy without shame - regardless of how it affects the people of Ukraine.
I think this is a horribly clear example of what happens when incompetent, corrupt wokesholes run things. The Russians are simply doing what they have always done - use their military to dominate their own sphere of influence - largely because they have ZERO fear of consequences from the Free World (since Xiden is preoccupied with choosing his ice-cream flavor instead of behaving like a world leader).
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Posted by: Dee Wee ®
03/05/2022, 20:14:24
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They realized too late that it wasn't a good idea to give up their most valuable weapons that would guarantee them peace. They are naked and have been for years. The US has taken advantage of them since that time. They can only rely on us and our leaders have used this frightened country knowing they are helpless, so they dare not say "no."
Our own leaders as well as other leaders have used Ukraine as a playground and money laundering system while taking money from the Ukrainian coffers. I'm only on page 48 of RED*HANDED and I assure you much of the corruption in Ukraine is from people like Biden, Romney, China and the other foreign entities who see the easy money. Yes, their leaders were corrupt because they were always puppets of Russia.
As for the nuclear plants, who says they weren't hit by Russian jets. It was viewed live on TV and those were planes, hitting the administration building. Russia has been overtaking their nuclear plants in order to control the people and their home temperatures during these freezing months. There has been a long-believed theory by the Russians and US that the Ukrainians buried some of their nukes just beside the nuclear plants to explain away any possible minor radiation. If the Russians were right, those strikes around the nuclear stations would probably have hit any hidden nukes and perhaps causes them to detonate.
These days I hesitate calling any country corrupt...considering....
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/06/2022, 05:24:55
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The Ukrainian people elected an ACF clown to be their president. Containing Putin is necessary, but not at the cost of much U.S. tax money or lives. The Russkies and Ukrainians have hated each other for centuries.
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Posted by: Dee Wee ®
03/06/2022, 18:41:36
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He did appoint two very good people who were auditing and discovered not only was there money laundering but there was theft of the treasury of the people of Ukraine.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/07/2022, 01:18:17
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Z is a wokester - of the worst order. He is cut from the same clothe as Slick Willie - if he does something good, it is almost always inadvertent or a side-effect of some cynical political decision.
Slick Willie was a student of Alinsky (triangulation was his specialty) and there is some evidence that Z is the same animal. 'Not worth a single American soldier's life.
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Posted by: Dee Wee ®
03/07/2022, 12:49:00
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Additionally, his hires were just releasing all of the data they discovered and finalized in their investigation about US and other nation's and their corrupt dealings via Ukraine banks, specifically Hunter & pals. The Ukrainians uncovered Rosemont Seneca Bohai, was hiding the military transfers to China as well as money laundering. It was much more than we ever expected.
Now, add to that, the bio-weapons labs that the US had in Ukraine. Russia made a claim some of the labs were too close to their border. They may have been. I noticed they did manage to destroy the 15 labs early on and Gateway is reporting the US deleted all of the records (but the wayback machine brought them back).
There's so much more going on in Ukraine than anyone ever dreamed and somehow the election of Zelensky was making all of them nervous because his people were digging. Why do you think Soros, WEF, and all the rest of the left wingers are united in this anti-Russian scenario? Why didn't they show the same upset in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea? It's much more involved than most know.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/10/2022, 18:34:50
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He is a classic triangulator - he puts his finger to the wind to measure every big decision - his policies are subject to constant modification. The three elements in that equation are his own inclination, the opinion of his constituents, the opinions of whomever is his most expedient patron (someone with something he wants).
The result of such "leadership" is that he is as likely to betray you as befriend you - depending on the wind. This week he's behaving well, the next he will be pandering to some ACF nonsense or worse.
We used to call that attitude in a leader sleazy, now we call it SOP ("pragmatic" in the Alinskyite sense). Adept at getting what he wants/needs by pandering, brief alliances.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/06/2022, 17:53:50
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The idea that a lot of people need to die to settle Ukrainian political disputes has been the largest problem facing their people as far as I can tell from studying their history. Fanatic militants of one sort or another are forever whipping the nation into a kill-frenzy one way or the other through countless decades of futile civil and internecine war.
That seems to be one of the only consistent, unchanging things about the history of that region. Why must a nation five- thousand miles away get pulled into it with massive spending, aid or troops?
If the current president of Ukraine is their idea of a hero, they need new standards of heroism.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/06/2022, 23:34:22
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From Putin's POV, the Ukrainian government invited this entire thing because they failed to fortify their defenses or demonstrate the resolve necessary to protect their borders.
Xiden's weakness was the final straw that broke the camel's back - the temptation was too much for Putin to resist - especially if a strong leader returns to the office of the POTUS soon.
That is why so many analysts see Xiden's demonstrations of weakness with/indifference to strategic issues as the trigger event for everything we are seeing in Ukraine and the bold, on-going flouting of human rights/rule of law plus the expansionism of the PRC.
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Posted by: Dee Wee ®
03/07/2022, 12:54:49
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the equipment to them. Biden has been useless.
They counted on us to protect them and once they discovered neither we nor any other country was going to come to their aid, they allowed the pro-Russian leaders to run the show until Zelensky.
BTW, one of the things his financial experts found was that money that was supposed to go to Afghanistan was being laundered and stolen. As I said, this goes much deeper and I'm tending to believe the corrupt powers to be really want Putin out of the way for other reasons. Perhaps to stop the disclosures found on the books or to hide the work of the labs.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/08/2022, 02:08:47
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...even U.S. scholars wrote that Ukraine violated good faith and international law when they voided arbitrated agreements post-Crimea in favor of new policies which were never negotiated. The government reneged without honor. Just like Putin always does.
The Ukrainian leaders are as corrupt as the Russian ones - just less-violent and less-capable strategically.
That is the brutal truth. It's basically a horrible large-scale bug-tussle.*
* Bug tussle - a vigorous, provincial dispute between two or more equally-vile, lowly creatures.
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Posted by: Dee Wee ®
03/12/2022, 11:09:22
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encouraged him to go to battle over Dubas, he disagreed and refused. He would have lost that one for certain because he would have been instigating the fight with Russia. He really tried to avoid that. Neither the US nor Russia are really wanting Ukraine to stand as is. The agreement offered was that Russia would once again appoint one of their corrupt leaders to head the state.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®
03/13/2022, 06:47:25
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Putin must be contained (if for no other reason, to let the PRC know Tiawan is not low hanging fruit). But the U.S. should not get involved directly trying to prop up Z. He is a chameleon (pronounced "chameleon") I don't do reptiles.
Modified by LateForLunch at Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 06:49:43
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| I don't know exactly what he is, but I know he really upset the Biden applecart when he agreed with Trump and refused to start a war in Dombas The rest I totally agree with you on |
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| Re: Bug tussle (again). -- LateForLunch |
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